And that's fine. Not having a problem with the pledge, is an individual choice you've made after you've thought it through. You likely would have a problem with the nazi pledge I take it - even if you were living in WW2 era Germany?
just n from bethel
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How do you feel about the pledge of allegiance now?
by SweetBabyCheezits infor you us citizens (and those whose nations have a similar patriotic oath), how do you feel about your children saying the pledge in school if it's customary?.
my daughter is in 3rd grade and part of her school's morning routine includes the pledge.
when we stopped attending meetings a year ago, my wife and i explained to her that we don't agree with the jw "idolatry" classification so, naturally, she started joining her class in the pledge.. fast forward to the present: my wife and i are both non-theists who want to raise ethical, caring, tolerant children, but also children who aren't afraid to stand apart, especially when that stand isn't popular.
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How do you feel about the pledge of allegiance now?
by SweetBabyCheezits infor you us citizens (and those whose nations have a similar patriotic oath), how do you feel about your children saying the pledge in school if it's customary?.
my daughter is in 3rd grade and part of her school's morning routine includes the pledge.
when we stopped attending meetings a year ago, my wife and i explained to her that we don't agree with the jw "idolatry" classification so, naturally, she started joining her class in the pledge.. fast forward to the present: my wife and i are both non-theists who want to raise ethical, caring, tolerant children, but also children who aren't afraid to stand apart, especially when that stand isn't popular.
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just n from bethel
zeroday - that's not even closely related. Straw man. Fallacy. Whatever - Just wrong direction that has nothing to with the chants of allegiance.
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How do you feel about the pledge of allegiance now?
by SweetBabyCheezits infor you us citizens (and those whose nations have a similar patriotic oath), how do you feel about your children saying the pledge in school if it's customary?.
my daughter is in 3rd grade and part of her school's morning routine includes the pledge.
when we stopped attending meetings a year ago, my wife and i explained to her that we don't agree with the jw "idolatry" classification so, naturally, she started joining her class in the pledge.. fast forward to the present: my wife and i are both non-theists who want to raise ethical, caring, tolerant children, but also children who aren't afraid to stand apart, especially when that stand isn't popular.
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KS said: If her refusal to say the pledge of allegiance is the result of ideas you have put into her head, then she isn't standing by her own convictions, she is merely echoing yours, even if she chooses on her own to do so.
The requirement for her to say it isn't her own idea either. If kids want to say it - because the school system taught the educational value behind it - vs. saying " hey you're american, (Russian, greek, nazi, or whatever country someone is in where there's a required chanting ritual) so you have to say this!"
But it's school policy - and not really presented as optional. So, parents have to interject if they want kids to think it through - the gov't and the school system sure don't explain it as optional.
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How do you feel about the pledge of allegiance now?
by SweetBabyCheezits infor you us citizens (and those whose nations have a similar patriotic oath), how do you feel about your children saying the pledge in school if it's customary?.
my daughter is in 3rd grade and part of her school's morning routine includes the pledge.
when we stopped attending meetings a year ago, my wife and i explained to her that we don't agree with the jw "idolatry" classification so, naturally, she started joining her class in the pledge.. fast forward to the present: my wife and i are both non-theists who want to raise ethical, caring, tolerant children, but also children who aren't afraid to stand apart, especially when that stand isn't popular.
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just n from bethel
Singing kingdom songs week after week. Daily text reading of WT worship. Repetitive mindless repetitions serve only one point: indoctrination.
In JW land it is indoctrination of the idea that your religion is better than everyone else's. With the pledge there is still mindless indoctrination, that my country is better than everyone else's.
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the other side of my story and why im going back
by deservingone26 inthere are two parts to this topic you can read one or the other or both if you want, i just figured i post this for differents ones who might being going thru what i am going thru i tried to write this as quick as possible so everything i am posting here is not to offend anyone i know everyone has the own opinions on different things so you can disagree or agree, but this is where i stand.
sorry for any spelling errors or grammar issues up front.
my story .
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just n from bethel
EP - not anymore. but it's hard to believe it was once worse. more assemblies - longer assemblies, more meetings. more magazines to read.
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How do you feel about the pledge of allegiance now?
by SweetBabyCheezits infor you us citizens (and those whose nations have a similar patriotic oath), how do you feel about your children saying the pledge in school if it's customary?.
my daughter is in 3rd grade and part of her school's morning routine includes the pledge.
when we stopped attending meetings a year ago, my wife and i explained to her that we don't agree with the jw "idolatry" classification so, naturally, she started joining her class in the pledge.. fast forward to the present: my wife and i are both non-theists who want to raise ethical, caring, tolerant children, but also children who aren't afraid to stand apart, especially when that stand isn't popular.
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How do you feel about the pledge of allegiance now?
by SweetBabyCheezits infor you us citizens (and those whose nations have a similar patriotic oath), how do you feel about your children saying the pledge in school if it's customary?.
my daughter is in 3rd grade and part of her school's morning routine includes the pledge.
when we stopped attending meetings a year ago, my wife and i explained to her that we don't agree with the jw "idolatry" classification so, naturally, she started joining her class in the pledge.. fast forward to the present: my wife and i are both non-theists who want to raise ethical, caring, tolerant children, but also children who aren't afraid to stand apart, especially when that stand isn't popular.
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just n from bethel
Just make sure they join in the lord's prayer at football games though - if they don't, you're really unAmerican. :)
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How do you feel about the pledge of allegiance now?
by SweetBabyCheezits infor you us citizens (and those whose nations have a similar patriotic oath), how do you feel about your children saying the pledge in school if it's customary?.
my daughter is in 3rd grade and part of her school's morning routine includes the pledge.
when we stopped attending meetings a year ago, my wife and i explained to her that we don't agree with the jw "idolatry" classification so, naturally, she started joining her class in the pledge.. fast forward to the present: my wife and i are both non-theists who want to raise ethical, caring, tolerant children, but also children who aren't afraid to stand apart, especially when that stand isn't popular.
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just n from bethel
I agree with you completely SBC. I'm trying to work that out myself. Also, my children have dual citizenship - so which flag should they salute????
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the other side of my story and why im going back
by deservingone26 inthere are two parts to this topic you can read one or the other or both if you want, i just figured i post this for differents ones who might being going thru what i am going thru i tried to write this as quick as possible so everything i am posting here is not to offend anyone i know everyone has the own opinions on different things so you can disagree or agree, but this is where i stand.
sorry for any spelling errors or grammar issues up front.
my story .
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OP also said: Honestly make a list to yourself or on this topic if you want stating how witnesses where holding you back from living your life to the fullest!
OK - here goes:
(49 reg weekly meeting x6 hours of prepping and attending) + ( 52 service days x 3 hours of prepping and knocking on doors) + (5 whole days of entire assemblies + 1 full day to travel to DC x 24) = bare minimum req. to be a JW = 570 hours a year. That is the bare minimum required to be a JW.
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the other side of my story and why im going back
by deservingone26 inthere are two parts to this topic you can read one or the other or both if you want, i just figured i post this for differents ones who might being going thru what i am going thru i tried to write this as quick as possible so everything i am posting here is not to offend anyone i know everyone has the own opinions on different things so you can disagree or agree, but this is where i stand.
sorry for any spelling errors or grammar issues up front.
my story .
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just n from bethel
just thinking how I wake up everyday and how everything in my body works in such a precise manner, how the earth is set up with the oceans and mountain and how the sun comes up everyday and i could go into detail for days on how everything is set up so perfectly around us
So obviously you're not a woman who has ever given birth. If that's "set up perfectly" by your standards then, I'd hate for you to design my house. I'd have to squeeze through a mouse door to get out while breaking it apart. 10 to 30% of the time the house or myself would not survive unless I had a construction crew/doctors on hand to mend us back together after I left. But hey, that's pefection for you.
